ATLANTIC REGION MOTOR SPORTS

[Gordon S.]

The 2008 Jack Canfield Memorial Endurance Race !



A three hour endurance race for sedans organized by Atlantic Sports Car Club will be held on Monday, October 13 at Atlantic Motorsport Park. The race will be called the 'Jack Canfield Memorial Race'. in memory of the life and contributions to motorsport of Jack Canfield. In honour of his life and contributions, Atlantic Motorsport Park, ARRCA, MRT and BAC have agreed to forgo payments for this event. In addition, Kartbahn has agreed to pay for the liability insurance for this event. James Whitman and Lawrencetown Motors has offered to provide an ostentatious trophy for the winning team. Other awards may be provided as well. A pot luck barbeque will be held at lunch time for all the spectators, volunteers, entrants, crews and family to enjoy. Please bring some food to share.

Rules:

Rules for this event can be found in the following document: http://www.ascc.ca/Documents/Race/ASCC_Canfield_Enduro.pdf

Registration:

1. Each car taking part will be required to register with the organizing club in advance of the race.
2. The cost for each car registering prior to October 1 will be $100. Cars registering after October 1 and up to 10:00 October 13 will be required to pay $200.
3. All cheques shall be payable to Atlantic Sports Car Club.
4. The income from registrations shall be used to build new marshal stands at AMP.
5. Online payments and registration can be made (Via PayPal) at http://www.ascc.ca/register/Enduro.php Car entrants may also mail in applications with cheques or money orders to ASCC at the following address:

P.O. Box 31120
Halifax, Nova Scotia
B3K 5Y1


Schedule:

Monday, October 13:
9:00 - 12:00 - Practice
12:00 - 1:00 - Pot luck barbeque
1:00 - Race begins
4:00 - Race ends
4:30 - Award ceremony

Any questions should be addressed to Atlantic Sports Car Club at enduro@ascc.ca.

Sincerely,

Bill Anwyll
Atlantic Sports Car Club
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[Bruce McNutt]

Simply Awsome that this has been put together. Great news. And a big thank you to all of those donating time & money to this event. I believe this event will be a huge shot in the arm that is vastly needed.
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[james whitman]

I have had sponsors for second place (Vantage Motors) and third place (Whats Your Sign ,Todd and Martha Roberts) . Now I`m working on one for Save of The Day to be picked by the marshalls if their interested.

Its great to see everyone working together to a common goal fun. Now lets beat the bushes for every interested driver and car
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[Gordon S.]

Clarification?

[Bill Anwyll]

The reasoning behind that "rule" is that if we want to have as many people take part in the race as possible, the penalty to the team to have more than two drivers seems to me to be excessive. As there does not seem to be any safety issue with changing drivers (obviously making sure belts are done up and so on is important) having an artificially long pit stop for that function seems to be overkill. Fueling is a different manner. Anyway, to try to have a level(ish) playing field, and minimize the perceived advantage of running without refueling or a driver change, one (1) mandatory pit stop will be required for each team car. You can do anything you want during the 5 minutes including, take a washroom break, fuel the car, change drivers, adjust suspension settings, change tires or whatever but you must have a "standard" pit stop at some time during the race. As long as you do the one long pit stop, any others can be whatever length you need to safely carry out the other chores you may want to do except fueling which HAS to be done during a 5 minute stop.
I hope this clears the fog a bit.
Thank you for pointing out the need for a clarification Gord. You are certainly a contributor in my eyes.
Bill

[Bill Anwyll]

Another clarification:
The penalty for a short Pit Stop will be accessed in this order:
1 to 30 seconds: 2 laps,
31 to 60 seconds: 3 laps,
60 to 120 seconds: 4 laps.
Pit stops short by more than 120 seconds or no pit stop: penalty will be to be moved to last place in class.
Exceeding pit lane speed: penalty will be 2 laps.

[Dave Ouellet]

Bill,

Will there be a qual session ?

either way I'm in !!

whoo hoo .......

[Bill Anwyll]

The schedule has time set out for practice from 9am until noon. There will be no qualifying as grid position will be determined by class and drawing of car numbers. So, if you are in GT3, all the GT3 cars will have their car numbers put in some convenient container and the grid position behind the GT1 and GT2 cars will correspond with the order the numbers are drawn out of the container. Since the race is three hours long, grid position is of not much importance and the 1/2 second you are ahead of or behind another car in your class will not likely be the difference in finishing time.
I hope this is satisfactory.
Bill

[Dave Ouellet]

Works for me !

thanks for all your hard work Bill.

This is going to be a hell of a race !

[Brian Jarvis]

Anyone got a car I can buy a seat in?
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[Bruce McNutt]

....I have a cheap CRX (slightly scratched) that you can try & use.
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[Bill Anwyll]

Update on Enduro

Below is a list of available and eager co-drivers who are available to participate on the 13th.
Steve Phillips
Steve Manley
Ralph Rosere
Brian Jarvis

More will be added if they let me know they are looking for a ride.

Also, it was questioned that some drivers were not interested in taking part in the pot luck barbeque mostly because they would prefer to just have a light lunch before strapping themselves into their cars for three hours. The point of the pot-luck barbeque was to be able to feed the marshals and volunteers at the lowest possible cost as well as have some camaraderie, story telling and general lying about your racing skills before the race. So, if you are not interested in having some barbequed food bring an extra sandwich or a salad or some cookies for dessert or lemonade or chili or something for others to enjoy as well. When we all help out the racing is a lot more fun for everybody.

Remember to register before October 1st to save lots of money!

Bill
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[Steve Manley]

I've been working a little hard, is there a per driver fee, or car only?
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[Gordon S.]

Per Car.
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[Paul Machan]

Any way we could avoid red flags? Full Course caution with a pace car?
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Paul

[Gordon S.]

Yeah, don't crash.

We talked pace car at the BAC meeting and it sounds like thats pretty much impossible. It would be an organizational nightmare and its quite an extreme change to the rules. Never mind the fact that any incident that would bring out a red flag would pretty much require racing to stop anyway while Paul cleaned up the mess. Its pretty much just the difference in parking on the front straight vs circling the track wasting gas.
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[Paul Machan]

I don't get how it would add any difficulty?
To me it seems easier, no red flag=no pit advantages and no scoring nightmare afterwards.
You can control pit lane. This is how its done everywhere.
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Paul

[Brian Partridge]

And the only time a red flag would be needed is if the track was blocked completely, sounds like a good idea, more laps!

[Gordon S.]

Unfortunately this is one of the spots where I'm for 'thats how we've always done it', at least for this race. Introducing a change like a pace car is just going to add confusion and questions. And I'm not convinced there's really any benefits since, as I said, we really need to close the track anyway for any red flag worthy incident.
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[Paul Machan]

I agree with Brian, only time a true redflag is needed is if the track is blocked completely, or there is a massive cleanup needed. Other than that I have no idea why it would be anything but easier, especially for T&S?
Like I said, this is how its done more or less everywhere but here.
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[Brian Gay]

I don't see why it would be any harder as well. If the tow has to go out have a full course yellow and the pace car controls the speed of the field. From what I hear and experienced from racing at AMP the red flag causes headach for T&S especially when someone is in pit lane. Seems almost too simple, you never know it could work, have to open to changes.
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[Jenn Harrie]

In all of the racing we watch on tv, we see them with a wrecker cleaning up a mess, and the field is circulating behind a safety car and just going around the mess. This seems way simpler.
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[Gordon S.]

I'm all for it on the longer term. I just don't think its something we want to do for THIS race. Just my $.02, I have no say.
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[Brian Gay]

Actually Gord, I think this is the perfect time to try something new. This is a non points race so instead of changing the rules in the middle of a regular race season, lets try something new when it doesn't count. If it works maybe we will incorporate this into a regular race day, if it doesn't work at least we can say we tried it.
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[Brian Partridge]

[Brian Partridge]

But, they are getting to know what to do now.
Still, I think this is a good time to start this idea. We'll have to talk with the timers and scorers and get their thoughts. I'll talk to Mom and Dad about it.

[Andy M]

I'm ambivalent about pace cars or not, but from a marshall's point of view the red flag variations are getting to be a bit hard to keep track of. Right now cars have stationary flags with no cars stopping, regional bikes wave the flag and stop and national bikes wave the flag and don't stop (unless the marshall is directed trackside in which caser they do). My little brain can handle just about anything, but I hope whatever you decide to do is well sorted out beforehand and everyone is on the same page. I don't agree that a potential emergency situation is the time to experiment.

[Dave Hull]

Hi All,
From what I know about T&S a pace car would certainly make life easier for us.

My only problem with a pace car is the track width, it will not take much to block it completely

A good race to use one on though.

Dave

[Gordon S.]

I don't want to make a stink about it and this will be my last statement on the matte but here's my issue...

This is EXACTLY the type of thing we need to STOP doing at AMP! We have no rule set, we have no written safety standard. We make stuff up as we go along and every race seems like its conducted slightly differently. This safety car concept, which I'm 100% FOR trying if done properly, is a safety issue which is exactly the type of thing we should be MOST careful about half-assing! What happens when we just decide arbitrarily that we're going to try out a safety car this race because it doesn't matter and a marshal gets run over? How does it look when its found out that we just decided to do things entirely differently from how we always have and we were just 'trying something out'?

To me it has nothing to do with the work level for Timing and Scoring. Its a safety issue, its an insurance issue, its an issue endemic of the things we need to do BETTER if we want our racing to work. If we wanted to do this we should have brought it up earlier, possibly discussed it at an ASCC meeting (Being an ASCC, not ARMS race) and it should have been present in the Supp Regs.
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[Bill Anwyll]

Never one to miss an opportunity to stick my nose in where it isn't wanted or needed, I can see both sides of the argument. Safety versus sitting idle waiting for a tow out of the grass. There are two instances where I see a "full course yellow/safety car" as an advantage and not contributing to the danger to the course workers. One is where a car has gone off in 9, for instance, and is mired in the gravel trap. A waved yellow would be OK if the racers actually paid attention to them. But in a longer race, the marshal's arm would likely fall off before the end of the race. In that case I could see a safety car controlling the field until Paul hauled the car to safety. Actually I can't see any other instance now that I think about it. Debris on the track from a crash... no. Cars inert on the track.... no. Someone over the bank on the back straight.... no. Maybe a slow moving car returning to the pits but that would be covered by a waved yellow or waved white. No time to get a safety car out anyway. Biggest problem is the track is just too narrow for a tow truck or ambulance and a line of race cars. If we were ever able to widen the track 8 or 12 feet then it might work. But we can talk about it.....!