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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:50 am 
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To help make sure everyone has some fun competition, why don't we do a roll call to see who plans to be in which class(es)?

I'm not making this a simple poll because I'm thinking a lot of people will have a couple possible answers along with an explanation.... I know at least a few who are on the fence.

Mike and I have a good GT6 setup now but are pondering GT5 if there would be a good group there. Tire ordering "season" is fast approaching and it would be helpful to a lot of us to know what rubber to bring in.

Post up where you plan to be! No one is held to their answer! Your best guess is all that is expected.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:35 am 
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GT4 for elvic. New ITR trans & built GSR motor. Motor in it's current state would easily put it in GT3 so we are going to detune it.

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Gt1/Gt2/gt3 are options. Not sure yet. With proper rubber our car can do 11’s, so we have choices.

We may chase some pro stock cars if they arrive this year.

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SM if another SM or 2 show up to run SM, but suspect it will be GT5 with the intake restrictor removed.


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We will be backing up to GT4. No more Hoosiers or ITR cams. But hopefully we can build up a decent class.

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I'm out for 2018, but if it makes any impact on you guys, for 2019 I'm planning for a fast GT-5 or a slow GT-4
I think Mike Brunt is planning to run GT-4 with the Subaru as well.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:19 pm 
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E30 is GT3, I don't think I could get it into GT4, I'd need to add a lot of weight.

I hope the other BMW's stay GT3 and don't tire up to GT2, I have no interest in moving away from Nitto's, which keeps me in GT3.

Pro Stock should likely be a touch slower than Leigh has been typically on new tires, (due to rules) but not much, but as we have seen, on old tires a PS will struggle to stay with the fast GT3 cars, so I would expect more of that unless they sticker every weekend.

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I think the GT4 lap time will allow some really good door to door racing. When running with you Paul in Sept, I didn’t want to stick my nose in much as I was so on edge, as you saw. Had to hang out and hope for a slip from you. The GT3 class is fun, but for us a lot of money. Running the car ragged every time. While others in the class (say Matt’s car) could do 1:15s with one hand. We are just so out gunned. Thankfully we are still on a stock motor, so a basic cam swap and running NT-01 tires should land us right in the low 1:17 time bracket. Little hard to justify depowering the E30 seeing how far that motor has been takin. Maybe if you run moto-master tires... lol

Dustin, will you try and run a race over the year or the Canfield at year-end?

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Limited time in Percy, but I believe the chassis should be able to run GT3 based on watching Russ Bond's Pro Challenge run a second or more per lap faster than the Vantage/Insight M3 in Mont Tremblant.

The big question is if "I" can get it into GT 3 territory, given that in its' one race weekend last year I couldn't get it past Elvic. Let's be honest, I couldn't keep it on the pavement for an entire session.

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I don't think anybody knows how fast the rally car will be so its hard to say. Anybody want to start making bets on lap time with restrictor in and restrictor out? I will likely run 245 nitto nt01 tires either way.


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What's it weigh? And are you leaving the rally suspension on or setting it up for a road course?

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The car will be set up for tarmac on a set of dms 40 shocks and struts.
I am not sure what the car weighs, the guys at symmetrical guessed 2800, other people have guessed 3200.
With the restrictor in it dynoed 250ft lbs and 220Hp, Seems like a tough dyno though, I was told my wrx with 265 factory HP would get about 170 wheel so I guess it only has a moderate amount of power but it feels crazy fast compared to my blue wrx.

Anyway if I knew how much it weighted, or how much power it had, or there where any AWD cars racing in recent memory to compare it to guessing it's class would not be as much fun :-P


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At 2800 and 300hp, you *might* get it into GT3, but with probably not with Nittos.
Should be interesting to see.

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In the time attack best times list there is an 03 WRX STI with a lap of 1:18.0 (stock specs for 03 are 265 HP, 253 ft-bs, and weight of 3140 lb) so GT4 might be a good first guess. Of course no idea what tires, mods, etc. and I don't know the driver of that particular car.

There is also a 97 Eagle Talon TSIAWD with a 1:18.1. Around the same weight, maybe the same HP depending on how much boost he was running before the turbo blew... :wink:

The EVO doing a 1:15 is probably a bit of an outlier (the car and engine are far from stock).

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gt2 I think is fair for me this year, given the breakouts...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:23 pm 
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You just need to get creative with tire choice

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Hahah. :D

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I figure the nankangs I got last summer would limit most gars to gt4. It would be fun to see the E46 running mid pack.

Also joking aside they are a great tire for lapping. They are predictable, don't fall apart when hot, affordable. I would buy another set of mine didn't have 80% of the tread left :-p


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Matthew Trivett wrote:
gt2 I think is fair for me this year, given the breakouts...


Weight Matt. Put it in your car. lol. If a bunch of Pro-stocks show up next year and run together, Leigh isnt going to run the slow tires. Then you'll need Hoosiers to run with them. You might even be faster on Hoosiers then the Pro-stocks. lol.

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Joel N wrote:
Dustin, will you try and run a race over the year or the Canfield at year-end?


It's hard to say for certain at this point, as I have many different things taking priority in my personal life right now. The JCM is the goal, if only to serve as a testing ground for the rebuild of the car.

I should still be out waving flags or wrenching for folks at most of the races though. :-)


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Mike, I'm pretty sure JonRad has managed a low 18 in his rallycar on 225 R888s. His car MIGHT be lighter than yours but it definitely has less power.
I think GT4 should be a good target for you with the restrictor plate in. Without it, who knows?


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Mike, I'm pretty sure JonRad has managed a low 18 in his rallycar on 225 R888s. His car MIGHT be lighter than yours but it definitely has less power.
I think GT4 should be a good target for you with the restrictor plate in. Without it, who knows?


I don't think he has done a low 18. To my memory, I think the rally car might have cracked a 1:21 or 1:20. But that was very used up R888 tires.

Unfortunately I think Mike will have a hard time getting into 1:17 without Removing the restrictor, dumping some weight or getting onto Hoosiers. but Hoosiers will just kill the drivetrain as well. The AWD might help out of 2 but its just extra work for the motor and weight everywhere else. Personally i hope he lands right around 1:17. I just dont see it happening. Unless that car is a lot lighter then i think it is. I am guessing 3100-3200LBS and I think mike said it made 220WHP, 240W torque.

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Instead of putting weight in a car to slow it down wouldn't a restrictor be a better way to go? Doesn't upset the balance of the car, and should be easier on tires, brakes, fuel, etc. In a Miata it's a 5 minute job to swap one out of the intake and it's just a thin aluminum plate with one big opening and 4 bolt holes so easy enough to make. Bimmerworld sells a set for e36s that lets the power to be trimmed.


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Instead of putting weight in a car to slow it down wouldn't a restrictor be a better way to go? Doesn't upset the balance of the car, and should be easier on tires, brakes, fuel, etc. In a Miata it's a 5 minute job to swap one out of the intake and it's just a thin aluminum plate with one big opening and 4 bolt holes so easy enough to make. Bimmerworld sells a set for e36s that lets the power to be trimmed.


I am not 100% sure but I think Matts Intake setup is like ITBs. I think its a factory system. I think E36 had a single Throttle body. You could try and Restrict after the Air filter but not sure it would work. Or have 6 restrictors.

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Joel N wrote:
kenmackay wrote:
Instead of putting weight in a car to slow it down wouldn't a restrictor be a better way to go? Doesn't upset the balance of the car, and should be easier on tires, brakes, fuel, etc. In a Miata it's a 5 minute job to swap one out of the intake and it's just a thin aluminum plate with one big opening and 4 bolt holes so easy enough to make. Bimmerworld sells a set for e36s that lets the power to be trimmed.


I am not 100% sure but I think Matts Intake setup is like ITBs. I think its a factory system. I think E36 had a single Throttle body. You could try and Restrict after the Air filter but not sure it would work. Or have 6 restrictors.


More power with cheaper tires sounds like way more fun than a restrictor plate.


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More power/cheaper tires could be fun if the car still behaves in the corners, but not if the car is a handful. Having an expensive car crossed up in 11 might not be fun. :wink: With a restrictor the car should drive the same, it will just lose some top speed.

@ Joel: Yeah, no idea how the e46 is setup so a restrictor(s) might be a PITA compared to adding weight ,changing tires, removing go fast parts, etc.

Anyway, was just throwing a restrictor out there as another possible option for those trying to keep from breaking out.


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Hmmm. Class? I'm planning on showing up.


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Joel N wrote:
kenmackay wrote:
Instead of putting weight in a car to slow it down wouldn't a restrictor be a better way to go? Doesn't upset the balance of the car, and should be easier on tires, brakes, fuel, etc. In a Miata it's a 5 minute job to swap one out of the intake and it's just a thin aluminum plate with one big opening and 4 bolt holes so easy enough to make. Bimmerworld sells a set for e36s that lets the power to be trimmed.


I am not 100% sure but I think Matts Intake setup is like ITBs. I think its a factory system. I think E36 had a single Throttle body. You could try and Restrict after the Air filter but not sure it would work. Or have 6 restrictors.



It's fairly common in NASA GTS to detune the M3 with a reflash. You can knock 50hp out pretty easily.

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Joel N wrote:
Matthew Trivett wrote:
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Weight Matt. Put it in your car. lol. If a bunch of Pro-stocks show up next year and run together, Leigh isnt going to run the slow tires. Then you'll need Hoosiers to run with them. You might even be faster on Hoosiers then the Pro-stocks. lol.


We shall see! Whatever happens, happens. I'm just out there to keep pushing myself to go better and better.

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